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Hosts: Randal Schwartz and Leo Laporte

Guest: Jay Shirley, Catalyst evangelist

Ruby on Rails isn't the only application framework, or even the best. Catalyst for Perl is an MVC framework that's being used for Vox, and other big sites.

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